Mobius Kaethis wrote:Currently the an SMG of equivalent level will beat out an AR in CQC. The issue is that so many people are using militia SMG which are nearly useless. With an advanced level assault SMG you can smash a GEK user in CQC.
On a more general note this thread is exactly the kind of belly aching I predicted we would get with the Flaylock nerf.
Here are the facts:
1) The flaylock was OP to the point of being the only weapon used in PC matches. It was a side arm and meant to be a backup weapon, now it is.
2) MD and SR are much more powerful than AR when used correctly. Correctly is the key there since these weapons are intended as specialist weapons they are harder to use and they are more situational. The assault SR is comparable to the AR.
3) The presences of Proto AR in public matches really just means that players don't know how to do math, not that the weapon is OP. Players who run full proto will finish the game without making a profit if they die two times in a match. While this brings a smile to my face every time I kill a proto user in a pub it also makes me wonder about these players motivations. Even beyond the profit issues the proto AR is not significantly better than the advanced AR. A few builds ago all weapons had there damage output flattened. Prior to that having a proto weapon was like carrying arround Zeus' lightning bolt, instant death for all who would oppose you, now that is less of an issue.
4) Stop your tears, everything in this game will change. If you've been here long enough you've already seen it change several times. Just wait a few months and logi will be the flavor of the month again and AR will once again be outclassed by every other weapon in every area of engagement.
ARs have been OP since chromosome. its just that sharpeshooter helped other guns keep up better, so people QQ'd. if sharp shooter gave HMGs AR range imagine how much range an AR had with sharp shooter? yeah, that was OP
The AR since uprising, has been the only effective weapon at pretty much everything except AV, and even then, with vehicles the way they are ive seen ARs blow up tanks (concentrated fire, but still)
duvoule dps = 509 (this is without proficiency, and damage mods, just the blanket 10%). so in one second of concentrated fire you can down 2-3 militia suits, without head shots, up to your max range
in 2 seconds you can down my heavy.
this is not just 509 of spread and pray howevery like an HMG which can't be aimed. you have pinpoint accuracy, no recoil, negligible dispersion, and supreme hip fire accuracy. your reload is as fast as lightening, and the flexibility of the suit allows you to carry nano hives for your self. out ranging all but a sniper and scambler rifle (lasers suck so they dnt really count) at mid range everything is your *****.
in close range the hip fire accuracy means that downing shotgun scouts and heavies especially is a pinch.
so, that 509 dps can be effective at all important ranges unchallenged.
people complained about flaylocks in PC owning people, but remember the flaylocks were only being used at close range where they were designed to be used, outside that they are useless unless the guy is standing still. and you needed adv and proto to have any effect on enemies. adv and proto SMGs would wreck **** just as bad as flaylocks in CQC. but flaylocks arent spray and pray chip damage machines so they had to be nerfed.
well, people complained that flaylocks were being dual weilded, proto SMGs can be dual wielded too... and they are just as effective.how about this one... "the only thing people are using are flaylocks they kill everything.. nerf, nerf, derp, nerf". well, now everything is going to be all AR. you can literally, use ARs to do everything in the game. and if you get enough people you can take down, tanks, LAVs, dropships so fast that your AR is more effective than AV.
wanna pwn in mid range, use an AR, wanna kill a heavy with an HMG, use an AR beats it at all ranges (dnt say CQC only works if guys standing still), whanna use a shotgun or SMG for CQC, just use an AR the hip fire is better and you'll get more consistant results.... seeing a trend here? besides grenades ARs pretty handle everything elses job better.